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Thoughts for the day

June 14th, 2012 (09:22 am)

Lots of really good stuff about marriage equality going about. Just adding my two pennorth by reminding everyone that the church's stance is not universal and plenty of committed Christians don't agree with how the church leadersip is approaching this.

And just a tip. Don't play rummy using Olympic legends playing cards as certain people keep collecting their fave Olympians rather than the cards they need to win. Then refuse to hand in Ian Thorpe at all...

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Posted by: sandra_lindsey (sandra_lindsey)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 06:42 pm (UTC)

There was a good discussion on Radio 2 about it yesterday - one vicar/priest made the point that it's actually really hard to find appropriate readings for a modern Christian marriage in the Bible because monogamy and modern family life is such a new idea - in the old testament they all have loads of wives and concubines, and in the new marriage was seen merely as preferable to living in sin, if you weren't strong enough to live a celibate life...

Posted by: charliecochrane (charliecochrane)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)

*nods* Spot on. I think that's one of the things that galls me - the church arguments don't hold water. There's one about redefining biblical words which neither works of itself (for the reasons you give) but also is countered by the fact that so many christians have themselves redefined biblical concepts, like the Sabbath.

Posted by: kcwarwick (kcwarwick)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 07:11 pm (UTC)

I find myself resenting this emphasis on procreation as the reason for marriage. I have no children, so does that mean that I haven't really been married for thirty-five years? I see it as a commitment made in the sight of God, and I don't see why gay couples can't do that.

Posted by: charliecochrane (charliecochrane)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 07:48 pm (UTC)

I know - it's illogical and insulting to bang on about children. So many of the church's excuses fall apart when you go below the surface.

Posted by: sandra_lindsey (sandra_lindsey)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 08:49 pm (UTC)

One thing myself & Husband are incredibly retrospectively grateful for is that there was *no* mention of children at our wedding (no idea why - we were married in the Church in Wales and certainly didn't make any such request, so we suspect it may be down to the views of the cleric who conducted the service). Almost every other wedding we've been to has mentioned children and/or babies at least once (I'm pretty sure the civil wedding my old school friend had in the registry office didn't mention them, but I can't say for sure...)

Posted by: charliecochrane (charliecochrane)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 08:55 pm (UTC)

Our wedding was so long ago I can't remember! But if we'd been childless (and for an awfully long time it looked like we would be) it wouldn't have made us any less married.

I have this real urge to set up a campaign to get people to return to real Christian values and see how soon church members could come up with arguments for why we can't turn the other cheek, not judge other people, etc.

Posted by: sandra_lindsey (sandra_lindsey)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 09:44 pm (UTC)

We didn't notice at the time - it was only after we went to one wedding after another where the subject was mentioned...

I like your campaign idea, though it would take an awful lot of energy...

Posted by: anteros_lmc (anteros_lmc)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
Buccleuch

Speaking as an unmarried atheist I fully support the rights of anyone who wants to get married, whatever their faith or choice of partner. I am encouraged that there are so many people of faith who are willing to speak up for this right regardless of what some church leaders might say.

Gambling for Ian Thorpe on the other hand is completely beyond the pale.

Posted by: charliecochrane (charliecochrane)
Posted at: June 14th, 2012 08:32 pm (UTC)

*nods*

Don't get me started on this, as I blow my top. The church has such a record of getting things "right", of course - asserting the sun goes round the earth, torturing and burning heretics, opposing ordination of women, etc.

Sal even suggested we mark up one of the jokers so she could keep IT in perpetuity!

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